Custom Arcade Saga Update Now Online

For anyone’s that’s been following the saga during the pre-blog days and that I’ve forgotten to send the email update to (sorry on that one btw, my PC crashed somewhere in the interum and I lost the mailing list) there is a new update on the progress I made during memorial day weekend at: This link.

Links to the past updates will be up shortly on neozaz.com. And by shortly, I mean in terms of epochs.

Death of an Icon

I saw this in the parking lot of my Allergist’s office. Maybe it’s just me, but I picture Mickey Mouse limping along in a ditch somewhere, bloody and broken, missing his bowtie. He tries to flag down a passing car, but they can’t see him, because he’s only four inches tall.

Eventually, he collapses, exhausted, in a pile of garbage, ironically tossed out of a Chevy Suburban with a Disney bumper sticker.

ToolTips of the Devil

I started a new job a few months ago, and for the first time in two years, I’m using Windows again. For the last few years, I was blissfully Microsoft-free, using Mac OS and Linux for everything (well, I had XP on a virtual machine for website testing, but that’s it).

First of all, I am ecstatic that my company uses XP rather than Vista. I’ve used Vista on my mother’s computer, and I can honestly say that it is a steaming pile of fetid walrus offal.

But XP has it’s problems as well, although on the whole it’s a somewhat usable OS (still ranking well below Mac OS X and even below some flavors of Linux – most likely since I’m more of a Unix guy than a Windows guy).

The one that seems to piss me off most often is tool tips.

Tool Tips in general, I think, are a good thing, when used correctly. If you hover the mouse pointer over some UI element for a few seconds, it’s nice when a little blurb pops up and gives you more information about it. Especially the tool buttons that have become popular lately that have only icons on them and no words. Until you learn that the squiggle inside a circle means “update remote site” or whatever, it’s good to have some help.

But it seems to have gotten out of hand. I don’t know whether it’s Microsoft’s fault or the application developers’ fault, but it seems like I can’t move my mouse pointer anywhere near anything interesting without it popping up some ToolTip telling me little, if anything, I didn’t already know.

And in many cases it obscures the thing I want to look at. Quite often, I will move the mouse pointer along a list of things I’m looking at, so that when I find the one I want I can click on it and do something. But much of the time, the ToolTips come up instantaneously, obscuring the thing I’m looking at which means I need to move the cursor away to get my bearings.

Does anyone know if there is a setting anywhere in Windows (or Eclipse for that matter) to either turn off, or increase the delay before displaying, ToolTips?

Death of an iPod

My iPod is dying.

Yes, I know. How sad. I’ve had a sort of love/hate relationship with this iPod since I bought it, though. It’s a 4th generation 60GB iPod Photo, which I bought in the fall of 2005. The really astute (read insane) readers with a little math can possibly figure out why I have such a complex set of feelings toward it.

Got it? No? Well, I’ll tell you. Let me rewind a bit first. (Heh, there’s a term we don’t use much anymore: rewind. The only tapes you might come into contact with these days are in your DV camera.) Anyway, I had a first generation 5GB iPod that I got in 2001. I very quickly ran out of space on it, but managed to select the 5 gigs of music I just had to have with me at all times. The best of the best.

I managed to limp along with that (plus Anne’s discarded 1st gen iPod once she got a 2nd gen one – once I’d replaced the dead battery) for a while until I could stand it no more. This was mid-2005. It was summer and Apple hadn’t introduced any new iPods in a while, and there were rumors of an announcement coming up, so I held off buying anything until after I saw what they had to offer.

The announcement came, and it was nothing astonishing – at least it wasn’t anything I wanted, probably some Nano or something. So I went ahead and bought my spiffy 60GB iPod photo. I was very impressed with the color screen and I could store my whole music collection, all of my pictures, and these new things called “podcasts” that were becoming popular. Wonderful! I had played the Apple roller coaster and won. Or so I thought.

Not three weeks later, Steve Jobs was back on stage, introducing the God Damn iPod with Fucking Video. (He may have left out some of those words in the announcement, but that was the full name, I’m sure of it.)

Great, I hadn’t had the thing three weeks, and now there was one that played videos. With a bigger screen. And thinner. Fuck! Well, that’s the way the technology cookie crumbles, as El Jobso says. Did I get a $100 rebate? No. Am I bitter? Maybe a little.

But hey – it was still a nice iPod that held all my audio and pictures. And it worked flawlessly up until recently. Actually, that’s not quite true: ever since I got it it’s had this weird behavior in that every so often it will cut of the end of a song, and just skip to the next one. I went through iTunes to see if I had set any settings that might affect it, but couldn’t find anything. And it didn’t always do it to the same songs, and it would sometimes cut off more than other times. Annoying, but not quite frequent enough to do something about it.

But now it’s beginning to lose its mind. Every so often it will just freeze up and I’ll have to reset it. It’s been happening more and more frequently, and one time it even got so stuck I had to look up troubleshooting tips on line. Even after resetting it, it wouldn’t boot up – I got the dreaded “sad iPod” icon.

Apple’s website, of course, says to try a hard reset, and if that doesn’t do the trick, bring it in for service. But I found another forum that said – no joke – to smack it. Sure enough, I smacked it, and it started working again. Hooray for percussive maintenance! Of course this is only a temporary fix, as the drive will seize up more and more frequently, and then one day it will spin up no more.

In the meantime, I did jump on the JesusPhone bandwagon. Well, I was thrown on when Anne got me one for our Anniversary last year. Not that I mind. In fact, I think it’s the single most useful gadget I’ve ever owned. By far the best phone on the market so far. And easily the best iPod out there … except for storage space. 8 gigs is simply not enough, especially since it does video as well. I’m back to picking only the very best music and pictures (oh man do I need to organize my photos better), and only the 5 least recent new of each pod/vodcast that I subscribe to.

Normally, this might even be OK, but with Anne gone, I spend a lot of time listening to podcasts, and I can go through a whole phone’s worth in less than a day. I really do have to sync up every night almost.

So the question is: What do I do when the iPod dies? The 160 GB iPod Video is pretty sweet, and that would hold all my music and pictures, and still have room to rip a bunch of movies to.

Or do I upgrade to a 16BG iPhone? That would at least give me some breathing room, but would be pretty expensive. I don’t mind signing up with AT&T for another two years – they have 4 more years of exclusivity with Apple anyway and I’m not switching phones anytime soon.

Or, I could try replacing the hard drive in the iPod.

Or maybe I could look at a non-apple brand media player that has lots of storage? That’s an idea. Maybe I can find one that works well enough and is cheaper than an iPod video.

I’ll probably just make do with the iPhone – scrimping and prioritizing all of my media – until they come out with a 32 or 64 GB model. Any bets on that happening this summer?

What do you think? New iPod, new iPhone, non-Apple player, or get by with current iPhone?

Oh, Rainbows!

I was leaving the house and saw a beautiful double rainbow, but by the time I grabbed the camera, the second bow had disappeared. The remaining one was pretty impressive, though.

I’m coming back with a shovel and an Uzi to get the pot o’ gold behind those trees.

It almost looks like the rainbow is some sort of rift in space-time. Or have I just read too much Terry Pratchett?

Podcast Me

As some of you are aware, I’m a bit of a podcast junkie. And I’m in need of some new podcasts. Here are my current favorites:

• The Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe – simply the best skeptical/scientific podcast out there. And very entertaining, to boot.
• The Talk Show – Erratic, infrequent, raw, and unpredictable. But also prone to in-depth discussions of minutia of interest to twelve people out there. But it’s perfect for them.
• You Look Nice Today – “A Journal of Emotional Hygiene”. Three guys riffing about stuff. Inexplicably hilarious.
• The Bugle – The world’s finest news source. Two Brits, one in London, one in New York, ridicule the news.
• Skeptoid – Critical analysis of pop phenomenon. Short and to the point.
• Savage Love – Dan Savage. You’ve got problems, he will ridicule you for them. And then fix them.
• QuackCast – A Snarky take on “Supplements, Complementary and Alternative Medicine”, or SCAM.
• Wait Wait … Don’t Tell Me – Where else can you hear Paula Poundstone, P. J. O’Rourke and Tom Bodett together?
• Car Talk – Click and Clack, the Tappet brothers, know everything about cars. And by extension, life.
• A Different Point of View – Simply the best retelling of the Star Wars universe, from a Stormtrooper’s point of view.

Since I’ve caught up on all the back episodes, they’re not quite enough to keep me entertained.So I’m asking everyone reading this (all three of you) to recommend me some podcasts.

The Day the Music Changed

It’s funny how memories work sometimes, especially as time goes buy.

My wife and I purchased the 3rd season of The Muppet Show this week because we’re both ridiculously huge Muppet fans. She, as usual, had the need to watch every single episode, special feature, commentary, etc the second we brought the discs home. I, on the other hand, am perfectly content to watch it in bits and pieces of the next few months as I await the next season release (which incidentally will contain the “Star Wars” episode).

I had no problem with her watching the entire season in one sitting. I just quietly went about my business of the evening, putzing around on the computer, trying to get some writing in, snacking, checking in on the DVDs, handing out to catch a couple of minutes and so on.

At one point, during the “putzing” my ears focused in on the TV in the living room. I heard the normal intro to the episode by Kermit the Frog, “It’s the Muppet Show…” but one small portion of the intro brought back a flood of memories, “… with our very special guest star, Alice Cooper, yyyaaaaaaaaeeee!”

I instantly recalled sitting in front of the television in 1978 watching this episode for the first time. And by the time it was over, my taste in music had changed forever. I learned that guitars were electric, drums were used for more than marching bands, and there was this other guitar called a “bass” that made our crappy paper cone speaker in the TV rattle and vibrate uncontrollably. I also learned that country singers like Kenny Rogers were the only musicians singing about bad days. Heck, Alice Cooper had them all beat with his living nightmare:

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For better of for worse, my record collection changed from Kenny Roger’s “The Gambler” and Star Wars read-alongs to Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Ramones, and on and on and on.

So for 30 years, I’ve never given thought to when this change occurred. Now that time has passed and this bit of my history came up unexpectedly in the form of the new Muppets DVD, it all becomes clear.

The Handless Organist, et al

Bad Astronomy links to the 50 worst album covers of all time. These are seriously bad. Almost makes you not regret the loss of album art as an art form.

The Simpsons Ride: The Review

Well, finally the review I’ve been waiting to write over a year now – “The Simpsons Ride”.

Ever since Universal Studios announced that it was putting in the “The Simpsons Ride” in both the Hollywood and Orlando theme parks, I’ve been waiting eagerly to check out this ride. In fact the wait was so long, I gave up on checking it’s status and was reminded by a radio ad announcing it was open and finally made plans to check it out.

But all that is forgotten now that we got up early this morning and strolled into the front gate moments after the park opened and headed straight for the new ride.

Now, before I go any further, I want to point out this review is finally a first had account. I’ve been passing on what I “heard” and bits and pieces of third hand reports from others, but this is the real deal. Some of it differs from what I shared with some of you before, but this is the be-all-end-all account.

So, without further ado, make sure your arms and legs remain inside the car at all times, and let’s begin the review.

First, Universal Orlando presumes you’ve lived in a cave for the past year as they remind you every chance they can that the Simpsons Ride is there and is open. You pass ads on every road leading the Universal, and once you get through the parking booth, the first thing you see ahead of you an enormous ground level billboard reminding yet again that the ride is open.

Next, if you’ve ever been to Universal Orlando, you’re already aware that regardless of how good your parking space is in the garage, you still have about a mile walk to any front gate, Universal Studios or Islands of Adventure. But fear not, there are not less than 4 over head signs that, you guessed it, remind you that the Simpson ride is open.

So now that you’ve exhausted yourself getting to gate, and wait in line to get in the park you are reminded yet again that the Simpsons ride is open as it’s the front cover of every language edition of the park map.

But there really is no need for the park map when it comes to this ride because the directional arrow is on every single directional sign in the park. So simply follow the arrows, and you’ll stumble upon it soon enough.

Once you’re in the vicinity, signs of the Simpsons motif start to pop up. First on the path we took, was this squishee stand. It wasn’t open in those wee hours of the morning, so I didn’t get to drop 7 bucks on one.

Next up, the Kwik-E-Mart, aka: The Gift shop. This is old news, sort of; this shop was opened pretty much the day after Back to the Future closed. Okay, that’s an exaggeration, but it was opened pretty damn quickly. Might not have a ride yet, but that doesn’t mean they can’t starting raking in the merchandising money.

Now we’re finally in the main attraction area. If you didn’t notice that the old back to the future building has been completely re-painted and re-faced, that probably means you were distracted by the huge Simpsons banner garden directly across from the building.

So, where’s the ride? Oh, it’s probably that Gigantic Krusty the Clown head with the word “Krustyland” arched above it. Oh, and the 20 foot tall Simpson Ride Statue probably has something to do with it to.

As mentioned earlier, the old Back the Future the Ride building was re-painted and re-faced for the attraction. Though it’s totally rethemed, the building is still pretty recognizable as the Back to the Future building. I didn’t think to take pictures over a year ago to compare the changes at this point – probably would have been a good idea – so here’s a picture I found on google of the Back to the Future attraction to compare the Simpsons attraction to.

Once inside, you’re given the impression that your waiting in line to enter Krustyland. Yes, Krustyland, not Itchy and Scratchy Land. Oh well, can’t cannon everything.

There are a lot of billboards on the walls of fictitious attractions. Most, if not all, direct parodies of Disney attractions.

At the point of the ride, the best improvement has been the queue line entertainment. On the screens above you tells the story of how Krusty sunk is fortune into this park and now owes money to his “loaning institutions” and he hopes the new ride he’s bringing you into preview will be his cash cow. To break up the story, classic clips of the Simpsons involving Itchy and Scratchy land, Duff world, and other theme part related clips are played. To extend the pre-show, there are random clips of involving theme park etiquette, souvenir shopping, etc involving a lot of the Simpsons minor characters. But the piece de resistance is clip of Professor Frink arriving at Krustyland looking for “The Institute of Future Technologies” – the old Back the The Future The Ride facade. He travels back in time (in the Delorean) and catches up with Doc Brown (voiced by Christopher Lloyd himself) and the scene explains what happened to the institute and the creation of Krustyland in this location. This clip alone is worth any amount of waiting time in line! So the point I’m trying to make is, this longer loop of clips is much more entertaining than the old “1 clip – then the same 3 songs” that was the pre-show of Back to the Future. Thanks to the Back to the Future ride, I now know all the lyrics to Hughey Lewis and the News’ “Power of Love”.

Finally, into the ride: this is where my other reports account of the attraction starts to go off in some direction that I don’t know what they talking about. I’ll forego what’s been reported before and just report what’s what.

The waiting area for the ride is setup like a theme park midway manned by Simpson’s characters. Hans Moleman is in the information booth, which is strategically placed in the corner so he can say his trademark “hellll-oooo” to catch your attention. Patty and Selma are working the lost and found. Apu is behind the concession stand, and Grounds Keep Willie is attending the “knock over the milk bottles” game booth.

Soon, Krusty comes on the big screen directly in front of you. He tells you about this new ride and does an “eeny meeny miny moe” type of selection on who gets to try out the ride. To no surprise, he picks the Simpsons, with the offer of the Simpsons to pick 1 group to ride with them. The Simpsons pick the group you’re currently inside the room with – good thing or else that wait would have been for nothing.

So at this point, everything sounds good but something seems missing. All the great rides at Universal have an adversary in their story line. Back the future had Biff Tannen, Spiderman has Dr. Octopus, T23D has the T-1000 and Skynet, and of course “Jaws” has the shark. Well, enter Side-Show Bob (yes, voiced by Kelsey Grammer)! Who better?

Side Show Bob escaped the Springfield penitentiary once again, and has taken this opportunity to rid himself of the Simpsons once and for all by sabotaging the ride. You, unfortunately, will be innocent victims of his revenge.

On to the “waiting room” to get on the ride. Here you see a safety video hosted by Itchy and Scratchy (ah, I knew they’d show up sooner or later). Once that’s over, on the ride, finally.

From here on out, if you’ve been on the Back to the Future, or The Klingon Encounter in Las Vegas, it’s the same type of ride. A giant 180 degree screen in front of the motion simulator you’re riding in.

Now here’s the point that the ride through me off a little bit (figuratively, I didn’t actually fall off the ride). I asked a Universal Employee if the ride was “3D” and she said “yes.” What I meant in asking was do you wear 3D glassed like Shrek, Spiderman, and T2. What her answer meant was that the movie for the ride was 3D animation. So after seeing the usually Simpson animation, I’m now facing a 100 foot 180 degree screen filled with 3D animation. The animation wasn’t as horrific as a video game, and not as creepy as the Halloween horror night’s segment, but still a little “off”. I didn’t take my video camera with me – I didn’t want to get banned from the ride my first time on it – maybe after a couple dozen times I’ll take that chance, but no really plans on it. Here’s a screen grab I found on google to illustrate the animation:

Once the ride got started and experiencing the rapid POV angle changes and simulated speed, I can see why they went this route. The regular animation probably wouldn’t have pulled off the motion simulation as well, plus three quarters of the Korean animation guild would have retired with incurable carpal tunnel syndrome.

So without throwing in any spoilers, I’ll just say that your ride through Krustyland and Springfield on an out-of-control rollercoaster car with Side Show Bob trying to kill you the whole time. There’s a ton of jokes, scenes, and references along the way, but I’ll let you experience those yourself.

So that’s really it. I’ll grade it now with this grading system I made up off the top of my head:

Rating the ride on its own merit: 6/10
Rating the Theme of the Ride: 8/10
Rating the Overall Story from door to door: 8/10
Rating it as a must see for a Simpsons Fan: 20/10

So it’s not the most intense ride in the world, and sure they recycled some pre-existing technology. But, it’s the Simpsons, how can it be all bad? I loved the Back the Future Ride. Mainly because of the motion simulation and giant curved screen – I’ve always enjoyed that better than the Star Tours VR ride. So to see it up and running again was great. And they enhanced the screen; you can’t see the seams like you used to! And again, it’s the Simpsons so that just adds to the cool factor. So one two levels – 1 If you’re Simpsons fan, you have to go on this ride, there’s no two ways about it; and 2 – if you’re a theme park fan like I am, take the time to check it out, it’s a good ride regardless of the theme.

On the way out I had to check out the gift shop. Not a whole lot to choose from yet surprisingly and nearly all of the T-Shirts said “Universal Orlando” somewhere on them. I did find one thing worth buying though; A “Flaming Moe” energy drink.

Oh, I don’t want to forget to mention this. About 5 minutes after leaving the ride, I realized there were no Harry Shearer characters speaking in the entire ride, or the pre-show. I’ve heard and read that one of the biggest delays in opening the ride was due to his demands and conditions to appear in the attraction. I guess that was Fox/Universal’s way of saying “F.U. Harry, we really don’t need Smithers, Burns, Kent Brockman, or any of the other secondary characters you voice after all!” Te-heh!

BONUS REVIEW

As excited I was about the Simpsons Ride, I was absolutely blown away with what Universal Orlando did with “Disaster”, formerly “Earthquake”.

The old ride, for those not familiar with it, was an “Earthquake” simulation that took place in a subway. While that part is still exactly the same, they’ve done a fantastic job with the 2 pre-shows leading up to that portion of the ride.

In Earthquake, you were treated to some of Charlton Heston’s less than enthusiastic acting while he hosted the attraction. I know it’s not good Karma to knock the recently deceased, but holy shit was he a bad actor. And to watch him for 20 minutes hosting something that he obviously didn’t give a crap about was unbearable. In the second room you were treated to the latest and greatest visual effects… of the late 70s. Including this brand knew thing the kids are calling “chromakey”. Ugh.

Well, now instead of the focus being on the ancient film “Earthquake”, you are in “Disaster Studios”, owned and operated by Director, producer, writer Frank Kincaid – played by Christopher Walken.

Walken is always the funniest when he’s performing a caricature of himself – which is what Frank Kincaid is. He’s the Roger Corman of Disaster films.

In the first room, the “assistant director” (a live person) picks 9 “actors” from the audience to help complete Kincaid’s newest film. So-so, but there are some laughs in the script.

Now, onto the second room. This is was what absolutely blew my mind. There is a 20 foot by 15 foot (roughly) beyond High Definition screen on the stage, well hidden with props and other scenery. Frank Kincaid walks out on stage, interacts with the props, interacts with the “assistant director” and does this hilarious 20 minutes monologue about the film. Walken’s performance is nothing short of brilliant! And how the hell Universal did all this interaction is beyond me. He walks around tables that the Assistance director leans and sits on, he knock over real film cans that the assistant director picks up, one minute he’s in front of a real desk, the next he’s seamlessly behind it (legs and feet underneath it and everything), it was amazing! I’m going to go back and stand in the front row dead center to try to figure out just a little bit how this was done.

So now on to the next room. This was where I used to be mesmerized by that astounding Chromakey. Not anymore. This is the filming set for the 9 actors. They film about 7 or 8 separate scenes. None of which make any sense. They even pull in a 10^th actor for a pick up shot. It’s still fun to watch because these are all regular people, most of which who were forced into this by their family members. So after about 10 or 15 minutes of this, watching the “actors” extremely uncomfortable and listening to the “assistant Director’s” scripted jokes, you’re into the subway to film the climatic “Disaster” scene.

This part is exactly the same as “Earthquake”. Sorta cool, worth checking out, but the real fun is when it’s over. Where as in “Earthquake” you were quickly pulled back into the loading platform and herded away, the train now very, very, slowly returns. This is so you can see the footage just shot in the previous room put together into the new trailer for the movie you’re currently a part of. It is freakin hilarious! Cheesy to the max and even stars Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.

All in all, I was extremely impressed how Universal breathed new life in this nearly 20 year old attraction. If you haven’t seen it yet, check it out if for nothing else but the Christopher Walken interaction Screen/Stage.

So there’s the report, er, reports. Hope it was worth the wait. It was on this end. But now I’m ready to do it again next week.

You got all this awesome equipment, so now what?

Just 1 month ago I was in PA visiting Dave for 10 days. It was an extremely productive 10 days where we caught up on a lot of writing, a lot of editing, and even went back to the archives and re-vamped the very first short film we shot in 1992. More than once we noted how much technology has improved and how much better the equipment is we have now and imagined briefly what some of these old projects would have looked like if we had this equipment now.

We’ve both had separate ideas of what to do with this kick ass gear and started a couple collaborative projects as well. I’ve even leapt into the late nineties and bought a web cam so we could continue these collaborations from both ends of the coast.

Then at some point, I don’t know when, it dawned on me. Yes, I have some seriously cool equipment – but that doesn’t do me a whole hell of a lot of good if I don’t know how to use it. Dave has a couple of advantages over me in this regard. One is patience. He looks at the features of the equipment he owns, reads up on them, finds out with they can do, then uses those features to their fullest extent. I, on the other hand, don’t – meaning, absolutely none of what I listed is what I ever do. The second advantage Dave has is a natural talent for cinematography. I can envision what I want to see with the camera, but rarely does it actually happen. Dave manages to use the camera as an extension of his own body – that sounds cheesy, I know, but it’s the best way to describe the talent he has with the camera.

So, that leads me to the predicament of the projects I’m planning for Florida. For a majority of the filming, it’s going to be up to me to “get the shot”. The equipment I have will undoubtedly make whatever I shoot look good, but I still have to shoot something worth looking at. So, before I really get deep in to some of the flagship projects we want to pull off, I better find out what the hell this equipment can and can’t do.

What to do? I could go out to the theme parks and shoot endless footage of people I’ll never see again and put together an “annoying tourist” video and put it on youtube then get 4 people commenting that the video is somehow fake, or… how about and old fashion shot every second possible documentary for 200 hours then try to pull 90 minutes worth of compelling footage out of the pile of tapes.

That’s slightly more appealing. But there’s got to be a decent middle ground. So I talked to DJ G-Regg (the guy quickly becoming the newest addition to NeoZAZ) and we came up with something. Something, well, kinda stupid. But it will be fun to do. Plus, it’ll give me a chance to really put every bit of this equipment thought its paces. If I manage to get an hour film out of it, even better. So, rather than trying to explain this stupid idea, I put together a short trailer for the upcoming documentary. It’s taken from only 45 minutes of random footage, so it’s not the most compelling thing in the world, but it’s a start.

So, if you’re in the least bit curious, click the pic below and check out the trailer. Just don’t bother checking moviefone anytime soon for any showings at your local theater.

Oh, quick side note: The title is “2 guys, 1 goal” and yes, it’s a blatant reference to the other internet video you may have heard of (if you don’t know what I’m talking about, do yourself a HUGE favor and never find out what I’m talking about). I’d love to say it’s got some deeper in-side joking meaning, but no – we (the Florida side of NeoZAZ) are just that immature.

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